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Miss Black Orangeburg

By LORETTA DEMKO
T&D Correspondent Wednesday, April 18, 2007

Seven young women vied for the Miss Black Orangeburg USA 2007 title at the W.V. Middleton Auditorium at Claflin University Sunday night, and it was Edrian Wright of Orangeburg who captured the crown. Her platform was breast cancer awareness.

The theme of the event was “Ain’t I a Woman.” The pageant was a celebration of life, legacy and love, not only in the local community, but throughout the world. The pageant was also a tribute to Sojourner Truth, former slave, abolitionist, preacher and women’s rights advocate.

The Miss Black Teen Orangeburg USA 2007 also took place during the program. Kimberly Purdy, a 15-year-old student at Orangeburg-Wilkinson High School, was the winner. Purdy recently made the O-W cheerleading team and also likes to dance.

After individual interviews held earlier in the day, contestants for Miss Black Orangeburg competed in the talent, evening wear, fitness wear and a question-and-answer session for the coveted crown and the chance to compete for Miss Black South Carolina USA in August.

In addition to becoming Miss Black Orangeburg for 2007, Edrian Wright was the biggest winner of the evening. She won the talent competition for doing a rendition of “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.” She also received first place in the Fitness, Interview and People’s Choice categories.

Wright is a biological science major at Clemson University who wants to become a trauma surgeon. Her other interests include singing, dancing and meeting new people.

Latasha Esaw, a 23-year-old mass communication and broadcast journalism major at Claflin University whose platform for the contest was abstinence, performed a lyrical dance to the song “Till You Believe.” She has plans to become a TV news anchor. Esaw was the first runner-up and tied with Wright for first place in the evening gown competition.

Several South Carolina State University students were among the contestants. Erica Flint, a 22-year-old senior who is majoring in economics, wants to become a successful businesswoman. For the talent portion of the program, she recited the poem “Lord, Why Did You Make Me Black?” Her platform was diabetes awareness; she was second runner-up and community service winner.

Flint also received the Business Ladies at Work award for selling the most advertisements for the program.

Regina Knight, a graduate student in speech and language pathology at S.C. State whose platform was mental illness awareness, recited a poem titled “When a Man Loves a Woman.” Knight won the Miss Photogenic award.

Another contestant used a poem for her talent presentation. Annie Williams, 23, performed a recitation of “Sister, My Sister.” She graduated from SCSU with a B.S. degree in mathematics and wants to become a teacher.

S.C. State graduate Tiffany Gantt, who received a B.S. degree in criminal justice, plans to work in a juvenile diversion program, which was also her platform. Gantt, who is in the U.S. Air Force, tied with another contestant, Sarah Stroman, for Miss Congeniality. Stroman is currently enrolled in the nursing degree program at Orangeburg-Calhoun Technical College and aspires to become a successful nurse. In addition to tying for Miss Congeniality, she promoted overcoming low self-esteem in overweight women for her contest platform.

During the program, two Visionary Awards for African American women were presented by Desiree Lewis, 2006 Miss Black Orangeburg who went on to win Miss Black South Carolina last summer. The first award went to Veronica Primus-Thomas, a special needs teacher who originated the STAAR, or Serious Teens and Adults Acting Responsibly program. The second recipient was 96-year-old Geraldyne Zimmerman. Lewis described Zimmerman as “an outstanding educator who dedicated her life to inspiring hundreds of young men and women to study mathematics.” Zimmerman also worked with the Girl Scouts in many capacities for more than 50 years.

As Miss Black South Carolina, Desiree Lewis will travel to Gambia next month for the coveted Miss Black USA title. She said she goes to Washington, D.C., on May 20 for interviews and then on to Gambia on May 23. Lewis is a first-grade teacher at Mellichamp Elementary School in Orangeburg.

Miss Black Orangeburg is a working crown. In addition to competing for the Miss Black South Carolina title in August, her job responsibilities include serving as a program ambassador and public relations representative, articulating her platform position and personality in a manner of public interest and representing commercial sponsors. She is also expected to encourage other young women to hone their own talents.

Judges in the contest were Kizzy Rivers, a program coordinator at Claflin University; Karen Jenkins, an accounting representative at McKesson in Charleston and Carol Gibbs, a graduate student at Springfield College in North Charleston.

Entertainment during the program was modern dance by Marissa Southerland.

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122 comment(s)

The following comments are reader submitted. They do not represent the views of The T&D or Lee Enterprises.

Ignorant wrote on May 14, 2007 8:12 AM:

" I am a white female and my fiance is black. This is the very reason why he and I CAN NOT live in Orangeburg. Let it go!!!! Orangeburg will never change! There will always be racist people... white, black, mexican...every race! ALWAYS!!! Racisim is pure IGNORANCE!!!! "

Concerned wrote on May 11, 2007 11:28 AM:

" This is to Confused citizen....I agree with you 100%. I am also ashamed at what my ancestors did during the times of the Civil War. But I try to learn the right and wrong of it myself and then pass the positives on to my child. That color does not matter and that everyone should be treated equal. No one should ever be a slave. Maybe this small contribution will help shape their future for the better. It does start in the home with the parents but unless the parents feel this way too then the wrong message is taught and passed down to future generations. My son is 12 years old and he sees it. He says color shouldn't matter. The importance is inside of a person, their hearts. One of his heroes is Martin Luther King, Jr. He actually had to do a class report on a famous person 3 years ago and he chose Martin Luther King, Jr. and my son is white. So i was very proud that he chose him. That he saw the importance of what he stood for regardless of color. I am proud for these young African American ladies that participated in the padgent. They are a great example to all other young women of ALL colors!!! "

Confused Citizen wrote on May 8, 2007 11:09 AM:

" I do not see many kids with this type of attitude towards each other. If a kid does have a racist attitude it is usually because thier parents or others teach it to them. What we need to do is teach our kids that everyone is the same no matter what color they are. Yes my ancisters did wrong by having slaves and yes that does make me assamed for what they did but all I can do is make the matter right now by treating others right and teaching my kids to do the same. I even had a grand father who was in the KKK and I love him to death but I never talked to him about the problem I had with his involement in the KKK because I don't ever believe I could condone thier actions. I do fell bad when I look at what my ancisters did but even today I see people and talk to people in Orangeburg that have just as much hatred in the now as thier ancisters did. Why is this? They were never taught right when it comes to equal treatment and society will never be right untill they face the facts and decide not ot pass this generational curse down to thier kids. "The Time Is Always Right To Do what is right." MArtin Luther King "

Jackie wrote on May 7, 2007 11:02 AM:

" W2ell i believed that he should of stood up for his rights and did what he believed in so sucessfuly "

Where's the community spirit wrote on May 7, 2007 10:45 AM:

" All who are posting "Say congratulations to the kids" quit your belly aching and get out and do something positive for the community! "

I really do not understand why wrote on May 7, 2007 9:55 AM:

" I really don't understand why when black people do things it is always looked at under a microscope. How long have their been pageants that are not named Miss White Whatever, yet has nothing but white contestants. It was contest for young black women to build up their community. I am sure when they named the pageant they were not saying let's keep out white people, instead concentrating on uplifting their students and their community. What is wrong with that! Like I said everything black people do is always such a big deal. Racism is still alive and black people having their own affairs is not racist. No more racist than having an Irish parade and ,if they had a pageant for Miss Irish Pageant what the heck is the problem. Get over it! "

What about wrote on May 7, 2007 8:29 AM:

" What gets me is every time a African American makes a bad grade at school it is because the teacher is white and they gave that black person the grade because they are black. Come on African Americans what a bout earning the grade instead of trying to find a excuse. If they are told black and white both how to dress in the work place for their own safety the first thing out of the blacks mouth is man your are telling me how to dress because I am black (this person forgets the white guy was told the same thing). The african American will quit a good paying job and they will tell you this because they can make more money from welfare having another baby. What about having a baby because you love and want them not because you want to amke money off of them. It is always the african American saying the white man is holding them down. You don't hear the revearse because the white man does not throw it in your face. My son was told in school by a teacher that he was stupid and could not learn at a early age. So he thought this teacher was right and believed it all through school and never did well. (maybe this was a case of the african American holding the white man down)You try to explain away everything you do instead of admitting the truth. Don't use the white man for a excuse because you can not do well when the fact is you are not trying you the cracker to just give it to you without having to work for it. And there are some whites that have learn this as well if they do not work it will be given to them. I am sure black or white there are some that will agree with me on this one. You keep your own self down if you do not try. I have always been able to hold a job because when I get there I take pride in my work and do my best. I don't go there stand around and make the comment I am just here waiting for Friday to collect my check. And I am not saying all African Americans do this just some because I have worked with some really good workers and that is just what they are really good. I live next door to African Americans you could not ask for better neighbors, but on the other hand some live around the corner that don't mind breaking into my house and robbing me but then again there are just as many whites that will do the same. So both colors have their good and bad. Stop blaming someone else for your bad. "

Such a Phenomenon wrote on May 7, 2007 7:53 AM:

" First of all I would like to applaud the efforts of the pagent and congratulate the winner. Now let's talk the real talk. Are you serious citizens of Orangeburg? Let's get it straight. I was born and raised in Orangeburg. I love my city and state. Here I am serving my country. Fighting the "WAR" on terrorism with variety of race/ethnicity. While back at home my people (all races) are still entertaining racism? I read a few of these postings and I just couldn't take it anymore. We have on here all kinds of opinions from various people with different backgrounds, but let me see if I can contribute something to put things back their proper perspectives. Restore a little light here. Our country is very diverse. We're probably the most diverse country of them all. I'm not here to do any race bashing by all means. Here is my point. All my life I grew up saying that I was AA because that was WHAT I WAS TAUGHT. In the battle field, to foreign countries guess what? WE ARE ALL AMERICANS! America has spent so much time trying to classify people and this and that. The real factor here is totally being over looked. If you were born in the U.S. you're American. Have you ever heard of Black Chinese? White German? We're the only country thyat does that. Look Orangeburg, a whole lot of folks died in 9-11 of all races. When I put my uniform on I feel proud to be and American! I know my history, but I also dictate my future an so do you all. There is not a single sole person alive can say that they were born a racist. All that stuff is taught. We as American people can ither continue to hate each other. Which is totally stupid, but know we got a whole lot of folks that hate "US" just because we are the U.S.! C'mon Orangeburg we're better than that. I love you all. "

Obviously wrote on May 6, 2007 8:52 PM:

" Ajamu's comment that no one cares about European slaves speaks volumes. It is clear that unless the discussion is centered around the mistreatment of blacks, then it is unworthy. What a obvious double standard. So I suppose you imply that whites created jails to further keep the black man down, and drugs, etc... What a paranoid dillusional life you must lead. Your attempt at spinning the argument is laughable. You justify black's quest for separate functions by saying whites dont want it to happen. What a load of crap. Honestly, I dont think white people give a dam. They just are tired of being told they are the root cause of all the evil in the black world. Its a dead horse, quit beating it. "

ATL wrote on May 4, 2007 4:26 PM:

" I agree 100% with L.Govan. I am graduate of SCSU and a native of Norway. We as black people do have double standards. Having a "Miss Black Orangeburg" has nothing to do with celebrating my heritage. If that was the case then call it "Miss Heritage". If it was a "Miss White Orangeburg", most of us would be on here protesting. Proclaiming that "Miss Black Orangeburg" is no different than white southerners stating that the Confederate Flag is about heritage. We as black people need to stop with the double standards, move on, and quit thinking that someone always owe us something. "

Ajamu wrote on May 3, 2007 5:19 PM:

" One thing that any posters of Caucasian descent must appreciate about the African experience in America is that the legacy of the past continues to plague the communities where there arw high concentrations of Africans. Until there is a balance of understanding American and African history,politics and culture there will continue to be those Africans that feel they are owed some thing and Caucasians who feel that the past is something to be forgotten without resolution, restitution or reparations. One cannot ask over 30 million people to be aware of Japanese reparations, Jewish reparations, a Jewish state and even a trillion dollar commitment to a so called war in Iraq and expect that the question "Where's ours?" not to be asked, no demanded. Every other ethnic group can demonstrate ethnic pride in some form or fashion but as soon as Africans demonstrate any inkling of racial solidarity and ancestral pride the reverse racist accusations come flying. When ever Caucasians criticize Africans doing something to honor their own they reveal themselves as having oppressive mentalities. As long as Africans pay their taxes and die in the wars then we are acceptable. Whenever money gets spent on anything that promotes the upliftment of Africans there is such a negative outcry that Africans are racist. Why don't ya'll have the Asians stop being so Asian, or the Indians from India stop being so Indian. What makes ya'll think Africans have to be the negroes you want us to be? Africans are the original people of the planet earth and we will still be Africans 388 years from now. Since 1619 Caucasians have tried to dictate to Africans what to think and what to do and for 388 years Africans have resisted. How much would it benefit Orangeburg and the U.S.A. if Africans were allowed to know and repect each other the way the Asians and people of the East do, that live in the U.S.A.. Like it or not the Million Man March demonstrated that Africans are still highly civilized and accepting of all races. Now 12 years later we still are witnessing assaults on the collective character of Africans by those who would see us continue to struggle for self actualization. Stop trying to hold back " An Idea Whose Time Has Come." Like the newcomer said, " There are a lot of wonderful people in Orangeburg of ALL races. " LET ALL OF THE FLOWERS BLOOM." Confisus sum no one cares about how Europeans used to enslave other Europeans or that Native Americans and Africans owned slaves in the antebellum south. That number was so insignificant compared to the millions that were enslaved. Precolonial Africa did not have a department of corrections or jails as we know them today. That is a European concept of incarceration. War captives and criminals were not slaughtered wholesale, they were indentured and forced to make restitution to the victims of crime through work. African nations were exploited by slavers from, first the so called Middle East for a 1000 years and then by the Europeans. The nations of West Africa were in disarray as a result and yes greedy despots sold captive enemies and criminals to Europeans once the European system of infecting a nation with drugs (RUM), addiction, greed, individualism and capitalism along with a few ladies of the evening was fully implemented. Throw in the use of Manifest Destiny, false Christianity being imposed on an ancient people for a few decades and yes you will produce black slave dealers who are the spitting image of today's drug dealers. STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS and come clean with the Creator before your time is up!!! "

Will Things Ever Change? wrote on May 3, 2007 10:54 AM:

" I have to agree with Eliza and Mr. Govan. I believe African Americans continue to segregate themselves, for they continue to feel they need to be compensated for what happened in the past, for what them, themselves, did not actually go through. When will they finally feel they have been compensated enough? It seems odd to me that they continue to want segregated events, scholarships, groups, etc., when it was African Americans who fought so hard for it to be abolished. The “race” card needs to quit being played from both sides! It’s not about what happened in the past or who did what to whom, but it’s about what we want our future generations to accomplish and achieve. And I am sure noone wants it to always be a race issue. As far as the Confederate Flag goes, those who are opposed to it apparently really don’t know what it stands for or the history behind it, for both Whites and African Americans fought. It’s nothing derogatory meant towards African Americans. It’s also message boards like this that tends to fuel the fire for both races....it just goes to show that racism will always be an issue...no matter how hard any one person can strive for it not to be. "

Blick wrote on May 2, 2007 1:01 PM:

" Well said New Comer! "

New Comer wrote on May 2, 2007 12:40 PM:

" I am a recent transplant here in Orangeburg. I have lived many places, all in the south. I was brought up by my parents to love and trust everyone until they give you a reason not to. I have been here several months and have met no one whom I regret meeting. I have worked with many talented black and white folks and grew to enjoy new relationships. I was not familiar with the "Orangeburg Massacre" until coming here. I feel it is another example among many of our failure as a society not to treat everyone as our creator intended. It disturbs me to read the sometimes silly rantings posted here. I don't feel this is a true representation of Orangeburg. We all tend to segregate ourselves to some extent. In some cases, it is OK. We all like to be with our own kind. The immediate way we can do that on one level is the color of our skin. We do it at public event, churches and otherwise. As long as it does not breed hate, it is OK. We can segrate ourselves without hate or racism. I feel we all let history make our opinions and judgements at times irrational. These postings, to an outsider, appear very irrational at times. I learned early in life not to say or write anything that no obvious good would come of. If we all honored that, many of these postings would not exist or would be much abbreviated. I have driven around Orangeburg, just to learn my way around. We sure have a lot of churches in Orangeburg is one thing I have noticed. Maybe our churches will see an opportunity to bridge the gap. I know Orangeburg has a lot of wonderful people of many races. I have met them personally. If most of us make an effort to bridge the gap and cease to let history cloud our judgement, we can make progress in Orangeburg. If we continue to quarrel among races because of our unfortunate past, we will never cause progress. None of us can change the past, but we do have much control over the present and the future. I regret there is so much tension. It is refreshing to ocassionally see positive posting. I'm only one person, but am committed not to let history cloud my judgement. In any situation, there is good and bad. If we choose to concentrate on the bad, we will be a part of it and add to it. Also, if we concentrate on the good, we will be a part of it and add to it. I choose the good. Have a great day. I love you all. "

LOL wrote on May 2, 2007 9:15 AM:

" U people need to all grow up... "

confisus sum wrote on May 1, 2007 2:38 PM:

" It truly is discouraging to see the slanted view of history that Obg educator is teaching today's youth. This person's obvious bias, does less to promote unity, than it does to extend division. My fear is that this rewritten history will ultimately be accepted as truth. This individual, coupled with the liberal-controlled media, focuses exclusively on the enslavement of Blacks. The impression is given that only Whites bear responsibility for enslaving Blacks and that only Blacks were slaves. In fact, Blacks in Africa engaged in extensive enslavement of their own kind. Slavery was endemic in Africa, with entire tribes being enslaved through conquest on a regular basis. When Arabic, Jewish and White slave traders arrived on the coast of sub-Saharan Africa, they seldom if ever had to travel inland and fight or pursue their "targets". They were met on the coast by Africans more than willing to sell slaves to them by the thousands. And in America, records show that Black slaves were owned, not just by a few wealthy Whites, but by free Blacks and by Cherokee Indians. In some cases, these Blacks and Indians even owned White slaves. White slaves were actually owned by Blacks and Indians in the South to such an extent that the Virginia Assembly passed the following law in 1670: "It is enacted that no negro or Indian though baptized and enjoying their own freedom shall be capable of any such purchase of Christians." The records of the time reveal that free Blacks often owned Black slaves themselves. In 1717, it was proposed that a qualification for election to the South Carolina Assembly was to be "the ownership of one White man." From 1609 until the early 1800s, between one half and two thirds of all the White colonists who came to the New World came as slaves. White slaves cleared the forests, drained the swamps, built the roads, sweated in the fields, and died like flies in hellish factories. Owned like property, they had no rights nor recourse to the law. Fugitive slave laws applied to them just as to Blacks if they should flee their masters. Black slaves were expensive, and though at times cruelly used, were seen as disposable based on the investment made, unlike the "cheap" white labor that was virtually disposable. "

PROUD AMERICAN wrote on May 1, 2007 1:32 PM:

" First, I would like to say congratulations to Miss Kimberly Purdy whom this article is about. People please don't take away her moment to shine. We are all AMERICANS and deserve to be treated equally. We have to let the racism go if we are going to one. Love everyone! In Gods eyes we are the same. He doesnt' see color, why should we? "

Obg Educator wrote on May 1, 2007 8:41 AM:

" I do not advocate racism. Only true history & knowledge. I agree with American who wrote on April 29, 2007 at 7:24 AM, that wrote "If you want to fix something, fix this day, teach your children respect, morals, values. Teach them right from wrong. Stop teaching them hate and racism!" But American has been mislead. 1. The overwhelming number of slaves were captured not by persons in their homeland, not by others. Slaver has existed on evey continent, but only the Europeans turned it into an industry to support thier laziness to build this country. Check the REAL reason for the Confederacy, which is why many still have heart-felt emotions concerning the flag. 2. As an Educator, I can attest that Black History IS NOT taught year-round in our schools. Let's not forget that history is the story of the victor or the one in control of the presses. Thus, His Story. 3. Whites DID NOT BUILD THIS COUNTRY. It was built with the dead bodies, blood, seat & tears of Proud Africans while whites masters stood by. Let's not mention the fact that native Americans were already here & their lives were forfeit in the process. This is the only country "discovered" by someone; wo by the way didn't even get here, but who's life was spared from mutany by his endentured African servant, NINA. Sound familiar? I repeat, I do not advocate racism. Only true history & knowledge. Hopefully, this comment will make it to publication, others have not. "

I'm Proud of You wrote on May 1, 2007 8:00 AM:

" Ladies, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!! Regardless of what the title may say you are still human and should be respected as such. The comments posted simply lets everyone know that ignorance is still around. Best wishes for a successful reign minus the ignorance of others! "

Noni wrote on Apr 30, 2007 6:00 PM:

" This pageant is not about RACE. You people are making it a race issue. Sweetie! you don't have to get your white pageant its already here. Queen of Roses. Black pageants has been around for years. Miss Black Calhoun County, Miss black North Charleston, Miss Black Rock Hill, Miss Black Columbia... Why are we fussing about a little pageant and we have all of these other problems. I believe you all are afraid of what educated and talented black women can achieve. "

color does seem to matter... huh! wrote on Apr 30, 2007 10:20 AM:

" IN RESPONSE TO Willie D who wrote on April 26, 2007 1:27 PM:"This is a response to Color does seem. As a male I dont think they would appreciate me trying to become Miss black orangeburg, or Queen of roses. But lets not get that argument started. well shoot why not...... WHERE IS MR. BLACK ORANGEBURG AND MR. KING OF ROSES!. I think we've done covered the racism here now lets start on the sexism!" I AGREE WITH YOU TOO! MIGHT AS WELL TAKE THAT ONE ON TOO! BUT IN ALL REALITY WHY CANT WE HAVE ONE AND ONLY ONE MISS (AND MR) ORANGEBURG.... LETS NOT SEPERATE ANY RACE FROM ANOTHER. I AM SICK OF THE THOUGHT OF MY CHILD WHO IS ONLY THREE PICKING UP ON THE HATE.... WE ARE ALL THE SAME.... "

janna wrote on Apr 29, 2007 10:24 PM:

" to Eliza: well said and well thought out. Amen "

ithinkthewhiningneedstostop wrote on Apr 29, 2007 10:22 PM:

" weakcomments4theweakminded wrote "remmember who really found this land." (Speaking as an native-american and caucasion woman in Orangeburg) you must remmeber that A.A. would not have founded this place either without the sale of their people(by their people) you would not be here either. I'm not saying it in a nasty way butDon't forget history. You speak of how this an attempt to keep the black man down. Get over it. I'm so sick of the race card being pulled on white people. There is so much reverse racism in this town it makes me sick. If something doesn't go somebodies way they say it's b/c I'm white,black,mexican, indian etc. When I try to get the miss White Orangeburg Pageant going- I better not hear any noise and I better hear some congrats and stuff for our efforts. We all know that will not happen though. i WOULD LIKE TO KIVE HUGE KUDOS TO HISTORICALLY. Thank you for your quint obsevations. "

Miss White Elloree wrote on Apr 29, 2007 10:05 PM:

" I agree with Confused comment. It's a waste of time. But I wonder if we had Miss White Orangeburg Pagent, For white people only, would we be called racist? I absolutely think so. There is such a double standard. I DO think a white Miss OB would go and visit the "poor black schools" and other things. This community is so backwards. "

American wrote on Apr 29, 2007 7:24 AM:

" quote: "OH REALLY!! wrote on April 25, 2007 10:50 AM:"I can only laugh at all the postings here. Why do things have to be about race? You complain about slavery, research it, the blacks sold their on to the whites. White history is taught all year in school, but so is black history, and black history also has a month of its own. Whites were the ones who built this COUNTRY, BLACKS also had a big hand in building this country. You are not AFRICAN AMERICANS, you were not born in both countries!! You are either AFRICAN or AMERICAN. I am AMERICAN I was born in the USA. White people of this day are tired of being blamed for everything that happened 100 years ago. Look at what is going on now, people are killing people, women and CHILDREN are getting pregnant and where are the fathers? If you want to fix something, fix this day, teach your children respect, morals, values. Teach them right from wrong. Stop teaching them hate and racism!!!"end quote AMEN "

Noonie wrote on Apr 28, 2007 11:38 AM:

" Its a shame that people in Oburg much rather talk about nothing. We have people that will post more about Ms. Black Orangeburg than the great debate that just happened for the city of Oburg...Thanks S.C State for being a great host and generating money for the city.. "

need4change wrote on Apr 28, 2007 4:44 AM:

" Congrat! "

Ticked wrote on Apr 27, 2007 2:25 PM:

" I vote to change the Princess of Roses pageant to White Princess of Roses. I was in the PoR pageant almost all of my life and never once thought it to be racist. All were welcome and I have seen black and white in the pageant. What would happen if a white girl tried to enter the black pageant? "

confisus sum wrote on Apr 27, 2007 2:00 PM:

" So....let's get this straight. How many times does a black contestant have to win the Rose Pageant before a Miss Black Orangeburg pageant is unnecessary? Ten times, 20 times? Every time? Or until we have replaced it with the same divisive event, under the guise of a different name? "

WAKE UP! wrote on Apr 27, 2007 12:40 PM:

" White + Pageant= Queen of Roses. Please stop trying to act like African-American Women are welcomed in the annual Queen of Roses Competition. "

Stuck in the Middle wrote on Apr 27, 2007 10:21 AM:

" I am a white women, of very mixed heritage, like most of us. I don't have a prejudiced bone in my body. I have dated men of all races at one time or another. I have been stopped by the police for having a black man in my car. I have also been looked at by some black women as an enemy for loving the same man. I have experienced and seen racism from both sides. I have not been a slave, and I pray that every person who was enslaved has now found peace whether it be on earth or in heaven. It was wrong, to be sure, but there is plenty still wrong now. Where is the love that God has for all of us being shown by his people? It is not. Our churches, daycares, and organizations are still divided. Each group blaming the other. I worked for some time in our local school district. I was a mentor to many young black girls and boys and loved them all as if they were my own. My son goes to public school and is almost always the only white child in his class. He doesn't care though because I have taught him not to see people in black and white or even latino and asian. God created man in His image. All of my sisters and brothers, no matter what race, will meet Him one day and he will not judge you based on your heritage. After all, he blessed you with it to begin with. There should not be a pageant or anything else that excludes any of us, Miss Black Orangeburg or Queen of Roses. We should join together as people of God to form one city, one state, one nation. I have only one last request to all of Orangeburg. Love each other the way God loves each of you! "

mlkman wrote on Apr 27, 2007 9:16 AM:

" I think we can get the whole subject summed up with one great statement that a very wise man (MLK) made "The time is always right to do what is right". Yes there was much my ansisters did that I am very assamed of. Yes when I was growing up in Orangeburg I was tought hatred towards people because of thier skin, but I refuse to allow this hatred to be passed on to my son who is 16 months old. I have made this point clear to all of mine and my wife's family and hopefully we can raise a child who knows "A man should not be judge by the color of his skin but by the content of his character" (MLK). "

Racism is alive & well everywhere! wrote on Apr 27, 2007 12:24 AM:

" Everyone needs to let it go. So Orangeburg held a Miss Black Orangeburg pageant. Instead of putting down people doing something positive in the community, we should be applauding them for their efforts. These are intelligent young women trying to make a difference. Does it matter what race they are or what the name of the pageant was? Maybe T and D needs to take the comment page away because some people don't know what to say on it. For the person who said she is married to a black man; Just because you're married to a black man doesn't mean you aren't prejudiced towards his people in some kind of way. For the on that started the issue at hand; you also need to examine yourself and get over the prejudice you have towards people. Notice I said people and not black people. Which means you have some type of hatred on your heart because you wouldn't be hating on this Miss Black Orangeburg pageant. Everyone, including myself needs to take a look in the mirror & and ask themselves what change do I need to make for this to be a better place, not why is there a Miss Black Orangeburg, or why wasn't there a Miss White Orangeburg. People can stereotype blacks and say they need to think for themselves, but every race has people making some of the same stupid mistakes. No one can stereotype or judge anyone for that matter. God is the only one who can judge us. He made us in his image and we need to act more christ like. I pray that we all can come together and really examine what is going in the world and try to make a difference. It should not matter whether you are red, black, white, or yellow. God loves us all, and we need to learn to get along no matter what goes on in the community especially if it was not intentionally done to offend you. "

One-For-All wrote on Apr 26, 2007 10:55 PM:

" I have sat here and read every comment posted. And I got sick to my stomach. The fact is there will always be two sides to every coin... White/Black, Male/Female, Left/Right, North/South, Hot/Cold, Day/Night, to name a few. There will always be diversity, you can't hide from it. The measure of a man or woman is not as cut and dry as white or black. Everyone has very complex and different emotions. The secret to overcoming diversity is looking past the absolutes. Absolutes being the color, gender or any other aspect that you have no control over and cannot change. I am Male, and have been married for 10 years to my wonderful wife. She is very different than me in every way. But we don't look at the differences. We have learned to look past our differences and focus on the needs and respect the person inside. Every living being on the planet has a God given right to love and be loved. We as a society should come together and stop the finger pointing and mud slinging, and learn to see past the color, and lift up a brother in need. I believe world has forgotten how fragile life is. If you were blessed enough to wake up this morning and draw air into you lungs, you should thank God for the privilege to live another day, and live today as if it where you’re last. None of us are promised tomorrow. I want everybody who reads this to ask yourself one question…”If you were to die today, how would you be remembered?” Your future will be our children’s past. We have an opportunity to set in motion, events that will out live anyone of us. And I for one do not want our children to have the same past as ours. We can not change the past, but we can learn from it. I’m not talking about the Wars, flags, and slavery. I’m talking about the fact that we as humans, after all the opportunities we had to make a difference for the greater good, we have not been able to see past our own selfishness. All I hear these days is, I want, I deserve, I need. This is the same selfishness that has plunged countries into war, destroyed families, starved and the weak. Let’s all come together as one, with one voice and use this opportunity to make a difference in someone’s life. "

UGO222 wrote on Apr 26, 2007 3:59 PM:

" Clap, clap, Ms. Govan! "

Willie D wrote on Apr 26, 2007 1:27 PM:

" This is a response to Color does seem. As a male I dont think they would appreciate me trying to become Miss black orangeburg, or Queen of roses. But lets not get that argument started. well shoot why not...... WHERE IS MR. BLACK ORANGEBURG AND MR. KING OF ROSES!. I think we've done covered the racism here now lets start on the sexism! "

UGO222 wrote on Apr 26, 2007 11:46 AM:

" I completely agree with what Historically accurate wrote on April 23!I couldn't have said it better!! "

UGO222 wrote on Apr 26, 2007 10:57 AM:

" I agree with Blackman, blacks have double standards. The concept “Miss Black Orangeburg” promotes separatism, not heritage. Come on, really – what does heritage have to do with a pageant? That’s so lame. Is anyone exploring there history by walking down a runway? As for the comment asking Caucasians to “get over it” … get over yourself. Why isn’t there a black Miss Rose? How many blacks apply? I’m willing to ignore the instigators when it relates to the distant “past” but let’s be honest. In closing, I stand by my original statement dated April 20th, why not have a “Miss Orangeburg”? "

Eliza..this is for you hon.. wrote on Apr 26, 2007 9:16 AM:

" This will be my only post, but I have to address Eliza with her ignorant self. You are not going to get away with insulting an entire race of children. If you want insults, here they are. Please, keep your white kids home. I do not want my African American children being shot by a white lunatic who has gotten everything in life, but feels so angry at twelve years old that he feels the need to kill all of his classmates and teachers. Also, make sure to lock your doors at night, you know white kids kill their parents. Make sure to check on your children, they also commit suicide. Oh, yeah. I know. White kids never get suspended. They just use meth in private, you know the new drug of choice. Be careful of those serial killers and child molesters as well. I'm sure they live all around you in your low class, low crime neighborhood. Lastly, black kids steal? Look at who is in the news for stealing billions of yes, YOUR money. Enron, etc. Look at the gas prices that YOU have to pay as well as everyone else. Maybe this is why you are so frustrated. I guess your race has turned on you as well. Sorry white America, it is all about the dollar. This is the product of Your society. Brilliant. You must be proud. "

CR wrote on Apr 26, 2007 9:08 AM:

" The indians were the first slaves.... They killed all of them and that is why the poor people(all other races) were used in the slavery. It wasn't just the black people who suffered. Read your history.... The confederate flag is a symbol of all the southern soldiers that fought and died in the Civil War... Yes, all soldiers. It didn't matter what color. We must uphold their honor. Let's put the confederate flag back in our good thoughts and let the past stay where it belongs. We can't help the KKK tried successfully to use the flag for the wrong reasons. It looks like they successfully accomplished what they tried to do. Let's not let them win. "

21 wrote on Apr 25, 2007 2:00 PM:

" Yes "22" I was being sarcastic, I know what year it is I'm just shocked by the topic at hand. "

confused citizen wrote on Apr 25, 2007 1:48 PM:

" I thought that we were opening the great city of ours to a huge national debate and we are on here not even getting along. Please I do believe that if a miss white orangeburg was elected she would go to claflin or SCSU and support them if not she must not be concerned ith orangeburg. There are many people in this community who do not see each other as a color but as people and it takes only a few to make it look like we are all KKK members or Black Panthers. This is nonsence "

OH REALLY!! wrote on Apr 25, 2007 10:50 AM:

" I can only laugh at all the postings here. Why do things have to be about race? You complain about slavery, research it, the blacks sold their on to the whites. White history is taught all year in school, but so is black history, and black history also has a month of its own. Whites were the ones who built this COUNTRY, BLACKS also had a big hand in building this country. You are not AFRICAN AMERICANS, you were not born in both countries!! You are either AFRICAN or AMERICAN. I am AMERICAN I was born in the USA. White people of this day are tired of being blamed for everything that happened 100 years ago. Look at what is going on now, people are killing people, women and CHILDREN are getting pregnant and where are the fathers? If you want to fix something, fix this day, teach your children respect, morals, values. Teach them right from wrong. Stop teaching them hate and racism!!! "

Eliza wrote on Apr 25, 2007 10:02 AM:

" Yes, I'm a member of MENSA, and I WISH that I had ESP. I apologize for starting this thread. Even though my IQ(ability) is above average, it was wasted. In no way do I think that makes a difference in this discussion. After all, I'm a HS dropout with only a GED and some Tech school credits to show for all of my potential (LOL). I was actually hoping that in this anonamous forum, that blacks and whites might actually be able to get an honest view of how the "other-side" sees things like this. If we honestly look at our town, we all know that it's still basically segregated. The only thing that has changed is that instead of 2 seperate communities, we now have 3. There are basically White neighborhoods, Black neighborhoods,and much smaller groups in the "gray" area where "mixed" couples are usually found. Obviously, none of these are 100% of any one race, but they may as well be. I've just recently returned "home" after many years of living in Charleston. I grew up here, listening to my Mom tell me about the first black kids to come to her school (Edisto Middle...she was in the 7th grade at the time, and they rode her bus!). I had almost forgotten how this town is set up. So, I guess the Blacks will continue with Ms Black Orangeburg, NAACP, The Negro College Fund, and the other private groups that they deserve...after all their Great-Grandparents were slaves. I'll keep sending my kids to public school (where they will of course be placed in mostly white classes (so that those disruptive black kids don't screw-up their education), living in my low-crime white neighborhood, listening to my kids talk about the black kids who have been suspended/expelled for acting out in class (where mine will get detention at worst), and making sure that they are raised knowing that blacks steal because they think that we owe them something. If our races are both willing to continue blaming the other for everything wrong in this town (instead of trying to work together); who knows, we may be able to keep things the way they are for another 100 years! I give...you win, things seem to be working out fine for all of us. I'll hoist my Naval Jack this weekend, you know to show how proud I am of my Southern White Heritage. "

color does seem to matter... huh! wrote on Apr 25, 2007 9:59 AM:

" i am a white woman and by no means am i a racist. i have a black husband and a biracial child, however i agree strongly with eliza. it is not fair in any way to have a Miss Black anything, if we were to have a Miss White whatever the NAACP would boycott and rally... and to "Common Sense" who wrote on April 19, 2007 1:02 AM:"Ok, white history is all year. Get over it." i have to disagree with you i was raised in the public school systems and i will never forget the 8th grade history book we were issued "SC African American History" (that was an all year thing) in my 9th grade years and up we may have talked little about any of the presidents of the US instead we learned of Malcom X (a racist), and we watched Roots, and plenty of other racist movies, so no that is not true about the White history every other month..... maybe the Black population does not see this but open your eyes and see this, these are some of the reasons that i for one will not even send my biracial child to a public school.... And to Willie D. who wrote on April 19, 2007 10:23 AM:"U wanna know where Miss White Orangeburg is? tell me when is the last time you've had a black queen of roses? At least "Miss Black Orangeburg" is open about what it really is." GET OUT AND PARTICIPATE!!! maybe if you stop looking at it that way it wouldnt be like that. Does anything on the application to these events say white only? But can a white person participate in the miss black? Ok, that is a point of view huh?? people like you are teaching our children that we are not the same. "

My people... wrote on Apr 25, 2007 9:12 AM:

" Come on people, this is 2007. I am black but I agree that the only way to fight racism is to integrate these white schools, integrate these "white" pageants and integrate in "white" activities. I agree that these pageants were necessary in an era where segregation was blatant. But we are the cause for further segragation in this community. "

Black Power??? wrote on Apr 25, 2007 9:05 AM:

" This would all be wonderful if there wasn't such an attempt to bring your own people down. IE. the Coach Brown incident at SCSU. You promote and uplift when it is convenient for you not out of love and compassion for your fellow man. Eliza, you are right on point, as long as they continue to tear each other down, they don't need us to be racist. "

You Know Your History wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:38 AM:

" Amen Ajamu! AMEN!!! Write that whole statement again! Please! Thank you so much for your lesson. Hopefully that will truly educate the lost. I was personally embarrassed by Mr. Govan as well. I really hope no other African American is that ignorant. All other races state their heritage, whether "Irish, Jewish, mixed with Native American and Italian, etc.". Yet when we say African American, it is considered blasphemy. Unbelievable. "

Please Know The Facts wrote on Apr 24, 2007 4:01 PM:

" To Quit Being LAZY-there are more caucasian women being GIVEN assistance than anyone else. I hope this is who you are referring to. There are also an astronomical amount of African American lawyers, doctors, teachers,blue collar, white collar, etc.,etc. that are paying for these MAJORITY women to be GIVEN assistance. Know your facts! "

Ajamu wrote on Apr 24, 2007 2:01 PM:

" To Eliza: So you are a member of MENSA huh? Does that mean you have ESP as well? I am not a democrat or republican and have voted independently since 1976. You are so representative of the people who want to excuse the wrongs of the past and then blame the victims. There is no such thing as color blind societies. Even Europeans show preferences and prejudices about blonde vs. brunette vs. redheads. Italians are discriminated against to this day. Since you admitted you are part Native American then you are not a W.A.S.P. and are looked down upon in certain circles. However you probably still look white and if you had any African blood it would probably show,therefore you still benefit from white priviledge. It's a fact of life in this race based society. " Those who forget the past are destined to repeat it." Why don't you tell the Jewish people to forget about the past? Why won't the Hawaiians and Native Americans forget about the past. Do you really believe that since Africans have progressed like no other enslaved group in history, it justifies excusing wrongs against the human race done in the past. What was done is inexcusable. It may be forgiven, as has been done, but never forgotten. As for Mr.I,Govan; if you are of African descent then you are a sorry excuse of a man for denying your ancestor's sacrifice for you to be here. Your African ancestors came through the bowels of hell in the belly of a slave ship and worked until dying with the dream that some day their off spring would be free to READ, WRITE, VOTE,GET MARRIED and OWN PROPERTY. You are a disgrace to your family for your declaration of being an American and not African. The African gene pool is the original gene pool of the human race and is still the dominant gene pool on the planet. It's why you still appear of African descent after all of the race mixing tha that has gone on in the south since the beginnings of slavery by the slave masters. If you don't look like you are of African descent then don't claim us and just TRY passing for white, we don't need you. Why not try sending a DNA sample to ANCESTRY.COM and find out where your ancestors come from in Africa. The "I'm not African." rant was over in the 60's that you claim you lived in, or are you still stuck there? "

Cubanbyinjection wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:27 PM:

" Why do you people waste your time fighting about black and white? It doesn't matter what color your skin is. What matter's is that we only live one life and your wasting it worrying about a beauty contest for black girls. I don't think i've ever seen a black girl in the rose pageant. Truthfully i've never been to one so that's probably why. Anyway. I'm white I have black friends my husband is Cuban I dated a black boy in school and everybody and their mama tried to keep us apart. I get hassled at work because I'm trying to learn how to speak Spanish because my in-laws speak it and my husband's grandmother can't speak English, well she know's my name, but that's beside the point. They tell me that I should just find a man that speaks English or my husbands family should learn how to speak english. I say screw them because I love my new family and I'm not about to let somebody tell me that I can't better myself by learning Spanish. It looks good on job resumes to being bilingual. I'm not racist. If you are black and you hurt me then I'm not going to like you. If you are white and you hurt me then I'm not going to like you. I don't hold it against your race. My point is that life is to freakin short to be mad about a black or white beauty contest. Go out and meet new people. Laugh out loud and enjoy life. Don't worry about what happened back when the pilgrims landed here. This is 2007 and I'm 23 and 1/2 :) and I feel old and I feel like time is slipping away. So if you want to waste your time fighting about this beauty pageant then I think it's only cuz you wasn't in it!!!! "

Look in the mirror wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:51 AM:

" You know Im really sick of seeing this even though I have a choice not to read it, yet I still do. No Im not black, I am what would be labled as a white guy to some, but truth be known, Im just an American who works hard everyday to do my part in living right and keep food on the table for my family. I grew up in Orqangeburg all my life, graduated from OW and even played football at a black college . All we can do is look at color everytime something doesnt go our way, whether black or white. Why? Somethings just happen because they happen. Why does a race card have to be played for everything? You see, the only key to all this is to look beyond race and see the human. My roomate which ;like it matters; was a black guy. He is one of my best friends and I would do anything for him in the world, Actually, he just officiated my wedding. I would do anytrhing in the world for him and likewise for him. When I was young, I wasnt taught hate until I got to high school with my peers. Why is it that you could put a room full of kids together white, black, green, yellow and blue together and they can play together and hang together, but you get the same group of people as adults, and they are fighting each other because of color? You are not born racist or born to hate, it is a learned behavior and it comes from the parents or guardians. Why do it? Does it really matter what the color of skin is in the end on judgement day? Just remember when you point your finger at somebody else, you have 3 pointing right back at you. So look in the mirror and ask yourself why first. "

True Story wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:26 AM:

" I am a 23 year old African American female. In 2003, I called a director for information pertaining to the Queen of Roses Pageant. I introduced myself and the first question the woman asked was "Are you Black?" I replied, "Yes". She hesitated to give me info about the pageant. Weeks passed and I never received an application. Tell me who is racist. This is my second posting. It is not fair that all of the racist get their comments posted. "

Quit being LAZY wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:20 AM:

" Weak comments for a weak mind, so tell me, what do you "rightfully deserve"? can you answer that? or do you want something given to you that you dont have to work for? Personally, I dont want anything GIVEN to me. I have a job, pay Insane Taxes for people that are being GIVEN everyday, whether they are white black yellow or green. So basically I am a slave to the system huh. "

enough already wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:16 AM:

" Who's slaves? Sorry but I dont really think any of us lived back then now did we? why are we trying to recreate the past?let it stay where it belongs. It is History for a reason.Just like every second that goes by is another second in history that has lapsed. Why sit and worry about something WE had nothing to do with? "

Tools wrote on Apr 24, 2007 11:10 AM:

" l.Govan you are as ignorant as they come. There are Beliza Latino pageants, woman of color pageants (for all Minorities, Miss plus size pageants, Miss petite pageants, Miss Ethiopia America pageants, Miss Ethnic World, Miss India USA, Miss Chinese American pageants, Miss Wheelchair America pageants, Miss Deaf America Pageant, Miss Easter, Miss Christmas, Miss Hispanic USA pageant, and many more. I don't believe its the organization with the problem. Its people like you and the people in Miss USA and Miss America pageants that belittle women because they are not blonde, white, and blue-eyed. I just want to let you know that you have a heck of a lot of suing to do. Nowhere on their website says you have to be black. In order, to know who you are you must know where you come from. (African American) Quiete frankly, I think you are just a white man trying to portray yourself as a BLACK man so the viewers will think that our race is always against each other. "

You Know Your History wrote on Apr 24, 2007 10:26 AM:

" To Tired of It All... Why would you need to emphasize the fact that you are educaed. Are you assuming that I am not? If so, how DARE you? I hold TWO master's degrees as well as serve as an adjunct professor, while pursuing my Phd.; and have not reached 35 yet. So you don't need to throw the "education" around. I work for EVERYTHING I have as well. If you can read, I did not ask for anything to be GIVEN to anyone. I responded to Eliza's comments on suggesting the pageant was devisive. I will not acquiesce to the idea that this pageant is devisive. The fact that Eliza asks where is the NAAWP is abstruse to me. NAAWP is everywhere. I am sorry for the fact that your parents died when you were young. I do not know what I would have done without my parents helping create the astute person I am today. I applaud you for being able to overcome their deaths early in your life, and go on to accomplish your goals with only having an abstemious amount of parental guidance. However, yes, some groups have it easier than others. That is clearly evident and a fact. You know this yourself if you were to be honest. And you go to another country if you think it is so bad. You can leave also. So let's not throw that around either. I am not only complaining about the past. Like I stated, out right hatred is STILL being committed against African Americans without anyone being penalized for it. You know this, so don't try to nullify the facts. "

Eliza wrote on Apr 24, 2007 10:07 AM:

" Whoever wrote this needs to use their name. I'm being honest and not derogatory. I also don't group everyone in every race in one cup. If you're to weak minded or uneducated to state your opinions, stay off the board. By the way, SC has been a Republican state for a long time. Eliza wrote on April 24, 2007 12:32 AM:"To Ajamu you want to know why the Democrats are coming to Orangeburg.Well b/c Orangeburg is mostly black and we all know that blacks mostly vote for Democrats and time after time Blacks are told that they will get this and that and are always let down..You all need to wake up and listen to what the canidates say and not vote for them b/c your daddys or mommys have voted that way..Think for your self.Democrats raise taxes just as well as Republicans " "

Eliza wrote on Apr 24, 2007 10:01 AM:

" To "MOVED AWAY". THANK YOU! You have just restated my point perfectly. I am no different than anyone else in Orangeburg. Also, it wouldn't suprise me AT ALL if I have African American blood in me. That is exactly what I wish people would understand. How far back do I need to trace my family tree? Is there a cut-off % of African blood for who can enter these "special" events? Do the contestants have to show a pedigree? We are ALL Americans first, Southerners second, and then a mix of where our ancestors came from and who they slept with...which isn't always what is recorded on the birth records. We all need to agree (yeah right), if we want a segregated community or an integrated community. I just don't get the concept of being integrated...except when Blacks want a "private club". The "race riots" were held by a group of people that wanted to be integrated into the "mainstream". People fought and died for us to be one community (which of course everyone deserves). These events and headlines do nothing to support that goal, all they do is make sure that the divider remains between the groups. Neither section of people can decide when the other can be included or excluded (at their sole discretion), if we want to achieve a race-blind community. If you truly believe it's okay for blacks to mentor black youths (excluding all other races), then why shouldn't whites, Asian, and Spanish people have the same option? If I were to start an after school center to mentor, guide, inspire, and tutor white children only...is that okay? I don't think that it is, but according to some of the thoughts that have been expressed here...I guess it would be. So, do we continue the fight for equality; or do we accept that we are two seperate groups? It really doesn't matter to me, I just want the rules to the game that we're playing. "

WeakComments4TheWeakMinded wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:24 AM:

" I would suspect that the white race holds a high percentage considering the fact they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate others in order to get what they want. The biggest threat to whites would be that of African-Americans coming together and finding a common good and work together. This is the one thing that you don't want. For you fear that the worst thing that can happen would be for us to really think outside of the box. Tell me this who really discovered America? I believe the Natives were here first and they were your first slaves also. These are the things that you aren't going to hear about in the history books. What exactly has the been contributed legally by whites? Racism is racism regardless and whites do not want any race to out do them in any area. Try googling the Willie Lynch Papers and you will see the manipulation that whites have done for centuries in order to keep African-Americans down. To all of the women who participated in the pageant, CONGRATULATIONS and a JOB WELL DONE. Continue to do well and show others what you are capable of doing. To all of the bloggers who know what it feels like to be black and to live it everyday it won't be too long when we are standing firm and taking back what we so rightfully deserves. "

tired of it all! wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:22 AM:

" You know your history has it right...NOT!..I went to the Sight you were talking about, and yes, I was disgusted, at what happened back then, but did I Personally have anything to do with it? No. did you? Im willing to go out on a limb and say No either. Look, My heritage is actually Irish, So therefore if you want to talk about the unforgiven word "Slavery", well, pack a lunch because it will be a long conversation. No, the history books dont tell you about the Irish setllers being enslaved now do they. History books are a collection of one or a few persons ideas and thoughts, as well as opinions on what happened in the PAST. You say you get pulled on the interstate all the time because of what you drive. Well, were are your tickets? Betcha Ive been pulled over and searched more than you. You see, I am educated (college degree) as well as in life and I know that you make your own luck in life. Nobody in particular has it easier than the other, All I hear is excuses. I dont complain much that I had to raise myself from my teeneage years because my parents died of cancer, I didnt have grandma or grandad to run too either. I know that I could sit and complain all the time and say "Woe is me" but I didnt. I never wanted something for nothing. What makes you think you deserve anymore than you already recieve? You complain, well go to another country and see how they got it..Look,I cant explain why the past happened and neither can you, but all we can be re-assurred of is the fact that it was ugly and WE dont want it to happen again. We can change the future, but complaining about the past doesnt get it done. You may call me names or whatever, but it doesnt change who I am, I am me, I could really give a darn, if youre white, black, yellow, green or purple, if youre my friend, youre my friend to the end. "

MRS J wrote on Apr 24, 2007 9:16 AM:

" I AM SO TIRED OF ALL THE RACISM IN THIS PLACE! U KNOW WE SIT AROUND TALKING ABOUT WHAT WHITES GET AND WHAT THE BLACKS GET ALL THE WHILE WE ARE ALL AMERICANS NOT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT THE FOREINERS IN OUR COUNTRY ARE GETTING! WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER NOT AS COLORS BUT AMAERICANS AND LEARN HOW TO GET ALONG! WE OVERLOOK THE THINGS WE SHOULD REALLY BE FOCUSED ON! I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE A MISS (BLACK NOR WHITE) ORANGEBURG! WE SHOULD COME TOGETHER AND DO THINGS AS ONE! "

MOVED AWAY wrote on Apr 24, 2007 6:22 AM:

" Eliza as for what you have said about heritage. Show me a person that is not mixed with something and I have land to sell you in India. We are all mixed with something and believe it or not many of us in ORANGEBURG BLACK AND WHITE ARE RELATED BY BLOOD. Yes I said ORANGEBURG! So, you are no more special than anyone else when it comes to heritage. I have many different mixtures running through my viens as do most people. As far as black history month goes, I feel that Black history is something that should be taught in schools on a daily basis just as any other part of history is, it is not separate. HISTORY IS HISTORY. "

Eliza wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:32 AM:

" To Ajamu you want to know why the Democrats are coming to Orangeburg.Well b/c Orangeburg is mostly black and we all know that blacks mostly vote for Democrats and time after time Blacks are told that they will get this and that and are always let down..You all need to wake up and listen to what the canidates say and not vote for them b/c your daddys or mommys have voted that way..Think for your self.Democrats raise taxes just as well as Republicans "

l.Govan wrote on Apr 24, 2007 12:27 AM:

" Lets be honest.I am a black male from Norway and was alive in the 60's and lived through it.We fought hard to be able to be equal with whites and then we go and do something so stupid as this to have an Miss Black Orangeburg..Sorry but to me that sounds like something that is discriminating.B/c the only ones that can enter is us blacks.I think someone ought to file a law suit against the promoters of these pageants and I bet that they would stop...One more thing I am tired od blacks calling themselves African Americans.I myself am a American and I am black.I was not born in Africa.Black people need to let go of the past and move forward..... "

Shauny wrote on Apr 23, 2007 7:02 PM:

" I spoke with the someone about this pageant and whites can compete. They just have to answer their final question that relates to being an Afriacn American woman. If they can answer that then they are welcomed. "

Your Welcome wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:59 PM:

" Hey Guys!!!! If you knew your history then you probably would have known that Oprah Winphrey. One of the world's most powerful women was in the Miss Black America pageant in the 80's. She represented the state of Tennessee. I believe that these white folks think that these women will be one day like Oprah. Powerful. They are afraid. Read and recite Sojourner's Truth speech "Ain't I A Woman". This was the pageant's theme this year. I really enjoyed myself at this event and learned a lot. I hope they have it next year and the next and so forth. I am also thinking about sponsoring them. Eliza, dillusional droog, cuffem, you should come next year. "

Barbara wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:43 PM:

" Look across the board!! Queen of Roses Pageant is racist!! That black girl should have won Saturday night. Hands down. "

Pray wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:38 PM:

" In 1992, Angela Clark(one of the 3 black queens out of 20 Queen of Roses) visited my school. She was impeccable. She drew all of our attentions. (many of the students were known as delinquents) Being a Majority black school, we listened and visualized ourselves being her. She gave us the attitude taht we could achieve anything we wanted to no matter who was against us. I don't think I would have felt the same if a Caucasian spoke to us. I don't think none of us would. Today, because of her. I am a successful African American woman. Its about Empowerment through the eyes of someone just like you. If you are not an African American you will not understand. I know about the Confederste flag and I have researched it. But I will never understand how you feel towards it. But I will respect you and your heritage. As a people we need to love each other even for our respectable differences. Seemingly, we can't because these comments are preposterous. "

Queen wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:22 PM:

" Another Caucasian won the Queen of Roses. "

Droog wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:22 PM:

" disillusioned droog yes that is 74.67% of the stealing, copying, and deceptions of the Native Americans and African americans dreams. Your theory does not add up so tell me if it so many of you guys (75%) why do African Americans have the highest rate of people incarcerated, infant mortality, and AIDS? Sounds like the people who are writing these books are stretching the truth. Christopher Columbus story?? Does that ring a bell. "

Sudidy wrote on Apr 23, 2007 6:03 PM:

" You sounded really ignorant "Where is Miss White Orangeburg? If you are educated as you say Eliza, You would just kept your comments to yourself and ask, What is this organization about. Who were involved? How can I become a part of it? There is too much violence in the world. Why not focus the gang violence here in Orangeburg? Oh, I 'm sorry these gangs are just a bunch of African Americans and Hispanics killing each other. That's exactly what you want. This program is positive, powerful, public, and profound. "

Stella wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:44 PM:

" Will a white queen take the time to visit a poor black school here in Orangeburg? Will the students relate to her? Can she tell them or help them through their experiences as being an African American in the society today? Race is not an issue with this program nor segregation. Please visit the website so you can get a better understanding. This programs mission mission is to promote a healthier lifestyle for African American women through-out the state. The program provides educational programs, positive mentoring and scholarships for young women to pursue their personal or professional goals. It surmounts the stereotypical view of pageants in America and instills the importance of high self-esteem, discipline, and perseverance in the delegates. The program also develops a platform for young women to speak out on issues of concern to them, their communities, state, and nation. There are many African american young women who are in this county who will benefit from this program. Please take time to meet these young ladies before you judge. They are the leaders, mothers, teachers,lawyers, and etc. of tomorrow. I think that the people who have negative views of this organization are afraid of the power that African American women have. I was told if you can't beat them join them. Visit their website www.missblacksc.org. "

22 wrote on Apr 23, 2007 5:11 PM:

" 2007...says so at the beginning of each post... "

21 wrote on Apr 23, 2007 3:50 PM:

" I'm sorry what year is this again?? "

disillusioned droog wrote on Apr 23, 2007 3:40 PM:

" WeakComments4TheWeakMinded: Given that 74.67% of the American population is White, 12.12% is African American, 4.46% is Asian, and 5.99% is other, it would stand to reason that U.S. History Books would contain far more data about so-called "white" contributions as opposed to African-American contributions, since it would stand to reason there should be more contributions by whites by sheer virtue of the population difference. Sometimes you have to think outside of the realm of 79% African-American / 21% White that we have here in Orangeburg, SC. "

Eliza wrote on Apr 23, 2007 3:39 PM:

" What I meant by "not really racist", was the fact that I knew how my statement would be interpeted by most "PC" readers. As for my heritage, I'm a mix of Native American and German (along with God knows what else). I know more of the true history of the Confederate War than most, simply because I care enough about my Southern Heritage to read about it. The easiest fact to research (that is the surest way to see the mindset of the times) is...Robert E Lee didn't own any slaves, while Grant owned 3. Even during the war and until the Thirteenth Amendment was passed he held onto his slaves. He was eventually forced by law to free them.I'll not try to teach Southern History here, since there is really no point to it. As far as how many blacks come to my house in a month...I only have 1 black friend that comes to my house...how many whites come to yours? To clear up the question of my intellect, I'm one of 2 people in the Orangeburg area listed in MENSA. My ancestors were not openly accepted here either. You know what happened to my Native American side, but on my German side...we started out as indentured servants. I don't ask for special considerations because my ancestors were murdered, raped, and owned. If I used that as an excuse everytime something didn't go my way, eventually people would stop caring and resent the fact that I try to benefit from something that I never had to deal with. The more you say that you need something extra because of things that are several generations removed, the longer you will be seen as inferior. I'm sorry that you don't get it, but to be treated as equal...you have to act equal. "

Ajamu wrote on Apr 23, 2007 2:10 PM:

" It will be interesting to see the comments when the first Miss Indian Orangeburg or Miss Latino Orangeburg contest is held. It is most interesting that this article is published on the eve of the GREAT DEBATE. Why are the presidential candidates coming to Orangeburg? There are many citizens of Orangeburg county who still do not realize how unique and special the town is. The good old boys and girls will never accept the reality of the richness of intellect and talent that resides in the community; primarily because of it's diversity. Include Denmark in that mix. Even Jackie Robinson came to Orangeburg and Larry Doby grew up near Orangeburg. Eliza and all of the haters need to celebrate the fact that there has finally been a Miss Black Orangeburg pageant and the winner didn't look white. It represents an evolution among the African residents of Orangeburg. This growth in the appreciation of the African aesthetic will promote more growth in business for the African community of Orangeburg, which will benefit Greater Orangeburg. It's only natural for any ethnic group to celebrate it's identity year round. Those that take issue with Africans doing something for themselves are exhibiting some sort of psychosis or phobia and should seek mental health counseling. A therapist could really help you before your world view begins to affect your health. "

Historically accurate wrote on Apr 23, 2007 12:53 PM:

" When I read the headline to this article my first thought was: " I thought equal, but, separate was outlawed along time ago in the Brown v Board of Education of Topeka case" Someone mentioned doing the pagant to get back to their herritage. I was not aware that beauty pagents were apart of African culture. If so, I would would welcome someone to enlighten me. "

confisus sum wrote on Apr 23, 2007 11:45 AM:

" Mr. Utsey, you have me confused. I only object when race is used for an excuse. However, I agree that to have a separate pageant lends to the notion of division. To use past history as an excuse in ludicrous. For a people to scream for inclusion as much as blacks, then create events that create exclusion is disingenous and disregards the teachings of the venerable Dr. King. "

WeakComments4TheWeakMinded wrote on Apr 22, 2007 8:44 PM:

" What I don't understand is how can this be considered a racist pageant when the women are apparently well educated and trying to promote a message to other young African-American women. If I can recall Miss USA was a drunk and a drug addict and all that she got out of the deal was rehad. Not to mention every time I pick up a history book, I can see all of the wonderful things that white-americans contributed, but get a paragraph on anything positive that an African-American created. I see enough racism everyday, but for you to write about wanting to keep your heritage alive its very obvious to me and to others on a daily basis that you don't have a problem with keeping your heritage alive. "

michelle wrote on Apr 22, 2007 8:35 PM:

" when i saw this article, that was the first thing i said "where is miss white orangeburg?" "

russell wrote on Apr 22, 2007 1:08 PM:

" Eliza, You maybe right, but you had a 400 year head start with blood and sweat of African American Slaves. Let us catch up, then we can talk about what is right and what is wrong. "

Orangeburg County Clemson Alumnae wrote on Apr 22, 2007 1:03 PM:

" I just wanted to say that I am very suprise to read some of the comments. I am very glad that the African American population has their own contest. Every year Orangeburg has it the Festival of Roses pageant and many African Americans are not able to participate because of several unknown reasons. Koodos to the founder of the Miss black orangeburg pageant and to the Queen of this year pageant. Not only is she Miss Black Orangeburg, she is also a student at one of the best schools in the country in which many Orangeburg County caucasians will never get the chance to be a student there. "

You Know Your History wrote on Apr 21, 2007 6:17 PM:

" First of All, let's stop acting like we are so blind of the out right hate that has been done to African Americans by the majority. Let's not sit here and act like we do not know the reasons why these types of organizations exist. It is because of YOUR devisiveness that is the reason for these organizations. If the majority pageants (ex. Miss America) were more inclusive, as is blindly obvious, then there would be no need for pageants such as these. A young African American beautiful contestant in the Miss America pageant 2006 was robbed. What more would they want than a 2nd year Phd. student from Emory at age 23. And yes, I am talking about a local native. Yet she was not even in the top 5. Yet a drunk bimbo can beat out someone like that. I am so sick of this "double standard" excuse you are trying to voice to justify your hatred. You are racist and it is what it is. If it wasn't for your past and present actions, minorities would not have to have "their own" organizations, colleges, etc. And yes, we cannot change the past, but it still exists and it will NOT be forgotten. And, it is not just the past; Hate crimes against minorities are still going on in huge numbers and noone is being penalized for it. When a police department can pump 50 bullets into an unarmed African American male based on what they "THOUGHT" he was, then it is still a RACIST society that we live in. When police officers pump 50 bullets into a white male and get acquitted for it then we can have dialogue. When armed officers can give a blow to the head of a white boy in a juvenile prison, and yes white kids are in juvenile, and put it on the fact that he had epilepsy when a video tape CLEARLy proves otherwise, then you can talk. When white males and females are stopped on I-95 because of the car they drive; then you talk to me about who is devisive. Your entire history and present is divisive. How dare you call African Americans divisive. Can you really say that without laughing. You are a joke. You constantly keep your heritage alive; everyday we are reminded of your heritage. Look up the website MAAFA.org then talk to me. This is YOUR heritage. Show pictures when such outright hatred has been cast upon your people; and you call us devisive. You are a joke. You call us devisive, show me where you have been so INCLUSIVE! African Americans, contrary to the media, we are doing great. Keep making your money, Saving your money, Investing your money, and educating your children regardless to what society says. We are the biggest threat to America. Keep doing what you are doing. Do not pay attention to the Don Imus double standard excuse. These people are racist and they just need an excuse to keep on doing the things they do and feeling the way they do. They don't need an NAAWP organization, just look at the government. "

Get Over It wrote on Apr 21, 2007 12:53 PM:

" Your history and heritage has been forced upon us for years, now since WE want to have something that promotes awareness of our culture, you have a problem with that. What about the years that black contestants were excluded from your events are a small number were allowed to not make them seem racist when they actually were? "

sprinkleboy wrote on Apr 21, 2007 11:36 AM:

" There is no need for a white history month because white history is taught year round in public schools. Black History month gives us a month to celebrate the accomplishments of blacks that might not be recognized at all. What makes this event racist? The definition of racist is a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others. No where in this article did it state or imply any superiority of race. Comments like this such as yours confirms that there are a lot of ingnorant people in the world. As for the Confederate flag face it you lost! Wave your Confederate flag at your own home, put a sticker on your car, build a park or museum but take it down from government buildings. You would think you would see a bunch of Yankee flags flying around but you don't and they won the war. We don't want to kill your heritage but we are against what it stood for then and what it still stands for today. Any American citizen whether black, white, hispanic, asian american, jewish american should not feel that it is necessary to promote an article that symbolizes oppression for people. What is the real reason you want the flag to keep flying? "

Blackman wrote on Apr 20, 2007 11:55 PM:

" I am a 53 year old proud black man and I must agree with cuffem. This is 2007 and we need to get away from this madness. I lived the civil right struggle in the 60's and 70s, and feel that these type of events just continue to pull the races apart. You can call me what you want, but I know I am right about this. We blacks have double standards. "

AMANDA wrote on Apr 20, 2007 10:35 PM:

" THE MISS WHITE ORANGEBURG WAS CANCELED DUE TO LACK OF PARTICIPATION... "

DREPRINCE wrote on Apr 20, 2007 9:03 PM:

" I kinda agree with the white people. Those comments raise some good points that are long overdue. The bigger issue is the separation between the black and white communities in Orangeburg. It is a real shame we can't get along after 50 years. I challenge everyone in Orangeburg County to check yourself inside. Everyone always talking, but NO ONE is doing anything. It's time to grow up finally. "

keith wrote on Apr 20, 2007 8:54 PM:

" Eliza, What is not really a racist? You either are or you're not. You had Miss America, Miss South Carolina and numerous other white only pageants for years. The confederate flag is flown in many public places such as racist t-shirts that you probably wear around town and the flag that flies on you or your relative and friends property. And how many black people visit your home in the average year? Don't count the mailman or the trash collector. "

Tangela wrote on Apr 20, 2007 3:35 PM:

" Well first of all, i feel like it's good that they are having a MBO(miss black orangeburg) because over the past 100 years or so blacks weren't allow to take part in anything such as this. Just because we are having this type of event don't mean we are racist. There are some things whites can't do, just like back in the days, we weren't allow to do the things white people did. I don't see the need to get upset about it. Some white people think they can control everything, and it don't work like that anymore. "

Peace and Justice for ALL!!!!! wrote on Apr 20, 2007 3:30 PM:

" People should just allow opportunities for everyone, all races to have a time to shine. We have been in the dark for so long while white has always been right. Grow up!!!! Great article. Keep supporting and writing about all areas of positive recreation!!!!!!! "

UGO222 wrote on Apr 20, 2007 3:00 PM:

" Why not have a "Miss Orangeburg"? Why does it have to be black or white? "

Jesse wrote on Apr 20, 2007 1:17 PM:

" I need to get my friend Al Sharpton to help me look into this "

JR wrote on Apr 20, 2007 12:31 PM:

" Are there enough white women in Orangeburg to have such a pageant? "

Native wrote on Apr 20, 2007 12:17 PM:

" WOW only would things like this be said in Orangeburg. This place will never change! "

ddddd wrote on Apr 20, 2007 12:02 PM:

" Eliza, you are a racist. I'm sorry that you don't realize it. I'm more than sure you drive a pickup truck with covered in mud, date your first cousin and never finished school. Go somewhere and Choke. "

carolina boyrn wrote on Apr 19, 2007 10:03 PM:

" Eliza, you don't understand... every month since the arrival of the first european colonist has been white history month! Conquistodores,settlers,exploreres or whatever heritage you claim have sought to wipe out any other heritage but their own. Different standards of "acceptable behaviors and policies" mmmmmm lets see? ...seperate but equal,jim crow,trail of tears,the long walk,countless broken treaties,the reservation system. i could go on and on, Eliza before you can learn the truth you must understand the deceptions. "

Tired of the Hatred wrote on Apr 19, 2007 9:04 PM:

" Eliza, if you were of African-American decent then you would know that having months such as Black History month and having pageants such as the Miss Black Orangeburg pagenat does not want to make us seperate. These are all attempts for us as African Americans to celebrate our heritage and to gain back some of what was stripped from us during slavery. We are the original people and the conferederate flag is a symbol of what (your ancestors) were trying to continue! An error where my race of people were devalued and treated as second class citizens. Those days are long gone and in my opinion, their is absoulutely nothing wrong with a culture of people trying to celebrate their beauty and reclaim some of what has been lost in the hustle and bustle of slavery! "

Michael U. wrote on Apr 19, 2007 8:31 PM:

" Come on confisus sum this is your chance. Aren't you the person that scolds anyone for interjecting race. Come on..... You gotta be kidding me on this one! "

cuffem wrote on Apr 19, 2007 3:37 PM:

" Eliza, I agree with you 100%. If we were to hold a Miss White Orangeburg, we would have the NAACP, Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson in Orangeburg telling the world how racist we are. And like you I am tired of being held to a different standard. It should have been Miss Orangeburg!!! "

Orangeburg Weeps wrote on Apr 19, 2007 2:38 PM:

" Congratulations to all the beautiful young Women that psrticipated in this event. Job well done! "

Applaud these Queens wrote on Apr 19, 2007 2:00 PM:

" When African American women are trying to do something positive in their community it should be uplifted. If it was an African American woman killing her child or get arrested for a crime. You probably would not write a comment. You probably would just lay back and chuckle. Tell me what is a double standard. Eliza you are not REALLY a RACIST. Sweetie, you are or your not. Nothing is in between. "

Sassy wrote on Apr 19, 2007 11:47 AM:

" Every pageant is a "Miss White Pageant!" Give me a break!! "

Willie D. wrote on Apr 19, 2007 10:23 AM:

" U wanna know where Miss White Orangeburg is? tell me when is the last time you've had a black queen of roses? At least "Miss Black Orangeburg" is open about what it really is. "

confused wrote on Apr 19, 2007 8:37 AM:

" So when is the contest scheduled for Miss Black Bowman or Miss Black Santee or Miss Black St. Matthews? How about Miss Puerto Rican Bamberg or Miss Chinese Neeses? Why are the citizens of Orangeburg wasting their valuable time and energy doing DUMB stuff like this with all the crime, poverty and sickness thriving in this town. "

Common Sense wrote on Apr 19, 2007 1:02 AM:

" Ok, white history is all year. Get over it. "

To Cuffem wrote on Apr 18, 2007 11:14 PM:

" Cuffem Ms.White Orangeburg is seen at every pageant in Orangeburg County, and surrounding areas. Ms. Festival of Roses and her court, Ms. RaiRoad Daze, Purple Martin, Frog Jump, etc.etc. Cuffem since you're looking for her, we will give you the privilege of selecting her. "

Chewing Nails wrote on Apr 18, 2007 10:03 PM:

" Now don't that beat all. The blacks are constantly trying to become more and more segregated when the were fighting against segregation in the sixties. How stupid is that. Double standard racist bigots. "

Ridiculous wrote on Apr 18, 2007 9:54 PM:

" Beauty is only in the eyes of the beholder. "

Color Blind wrote on Apr 18, 2007 9:41 PM:

" Whites are constantly being labeled as racist, but we would never get away with having a "Whites Only" pageant. It is not just here in Orangeburg, as you can read in this story, there is a “Miss Black South Carolina.” That is also the case for the “Miss Black USA.” If we are going to do this, then maybe we should not allow the black females to enter the Miss America pageant, since they have their own. The blacks are constantly putting their own people down, yet the whites are being blamed/called racist. Just read the lyrics to some of the rap music that is out there…and WE are the racists??? "

Stephanie wrote on Apr 18, 2007 7:07 PM:

" Do People actually think about their comments before putting on them internet. "

shouldn't there be a picture wrote on Apr 18, 2007 4:41 PM:

" she won!!! give her some space in the illustrious t&d! "

Ann wrote on Apr 18, 2007 12:13 PM:

" To Eliza: Amen Sister "

afrouniversal wrote on Apr 18, 2007 12:10 PM:

" ok...What happened to the pictures to go with this story? It's would have helped the story to see some pictures. "

Appalled wrote on Apr 18, 2007 11:59 AM:

" How much more racist can you be than to discriminate against others in such a manner? Individuals of all backgrounds should be simply appalled and shocked at this blatant display of arrogant racism thrown right in our faces. Add on to that the arrogant attitude that "we can be racist, but no other ethnicies can be so. Oh, no, we'll squeal and stamp our feet until someone gets tired of hearing it." How two-faced. "

cuffem wrote on Apr 18, 2007 10:36 AM:

" Where is Miss White Orangeburg? "

Who Cares wrote on Apr 18, 2007 10:28 AM:

" What would happen if there was a "Miss White Orangeburg!" "

Michelle wrote on Apr 18, 2007 9:48 AM:

" Great story. Where are the pictures to compliment this story? "

confisus sum wrote on Apr 18, 2007 8:23 AM:

" divisive.... "

Eliza wrote on Apr 18, 2007 7:45 AM:

" ...and we're the racist ones for wanting to keep our heritage alive. I'm told that I'm a racist for wanting the Confederate flag in a prominant(well at least public)place. I haven't noticed a white history month, NAAWP meeting, or a Miss White Orangeburg lately. Why are "WE" constantly labeled as racist or divisive for anything (in the past or present) that makes some blacks uncomfortable, when they are applauded for such blatantly racist events such as this? I'm really not a racist, although most people will assume that I am if they read this. I'm just really tired of being held to different standards of "acceptable" behaviors and policies. "

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