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Price to visit center still up in the air

By PHIL SARATA, T&D Staff Writer  Monday, April 13, 2009

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Orangeburg County's planned $9 million aquatic complex won't cost taxpayers any money for its day-to-day operations, unless they decide to visit.

While a final agreement has yet to be worked out, county officials expect to turn operation of the complex over to the Columbia YMCA. The YMCA then would charge people to use it, based in part on their ability to pay.

Columbia YMCA CEO Bryan Madden said, "Our board hasn't signed any written agreement but if it works like a traditional YMCA, we would sell memberships. ...

"We opened a brand-new branch location in 2007 in northeast Columbia that essentially has the same amenities that are planned for the Orangeburg facility with the exception of the water park," he said. "That YMCA employs over 100 people with 10,000 members."

Orangeburg County Administrator Bill Clark says that the fees the YMCA charges at the aquatic center and water park will be determined by both parties.

"Most of the facilities we've studied in planning this do charge some nominal fees for instruction and programs," Clark said. "A fee schedule is still being developed right now, but under any scenario there would be a discounted fee for country residents to use the facility.

"However, there will be no tax millage from the county for operation and maintenance."

In Columbia, the average cost of membership is a one-time fee of $50, plus a monthly fee ranging from $32 for young adults to $74 for families. The YMCA has scholarships available to reduce or completely cover costs for those who cannot afford regular membership dues, officials say.

"We will offer scholarship dollars in Orangeburg just like any other location we have," Madden said. "If people can't afford it, we will still get as many folks into membership as possible. We always raise funds for scholarships. Raising operational dollars is what we do well.

"Orangeburg County has been far-thinking in planning this facility. It might end up being the nicest one of the branch locations we operate."

Madden said the Columbia YMCA currently has a $1.7 million budget for annual operations of the northeast Columbia location, suggesting the Orangeburg facility might require a similar budget.

Orangeburg County is still negotiating an agreement with the Columbia YMCA. Orangeburg County Council will have to approve any final agreement.

"We are still working through the terms of the agreement," Clark said. "Right now there are no issues to be worked through. We are just taking the verbal agreement and reducing it to writing that will cover the duties and obligations for each party to make it binding. The final written agreement will be given to both governing boards for approval. When the agreement is finalized, we plan to go forward with it, probably in the next 30-60 days."

Clark said, "The advantage to the YMCA is that they could expand their programming into Orangeburg and bring to the table their experience in operating and managing such facilities."

He said the county has worked two specific requirements into the agreement.

"The county insists that two programs be offered at the new aquatic center apart from those offered at a typical YMCA," Clark said. "We have inserted language that would include in the definition of programming a specific emphasis for the senior population. Since the center will be adjacent to the Council on Aging, it's an excellent opportunity to do a senior fitness program that can include water walking, aerobics and other age-specific opportunities.

"In addition, we want to include a swimming education program for everyone, but especially for youngsters," he said. "Rarely a year goes by without a drowning accident occurring here because the victim didn't know how to swim. This would help tremendously because facilities to learn swimming are few and far between here."

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T&D Staff Writer Phil Sarata can be reached by e-mail at psarata@timesanddemocrat.com or by telephone at 803-533-5540. Discuss this and other stories online at TheTandD.com.

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11 comment(s)
The following comments are reader submitted. They do not represent the views of The T&D or Lee Enterprises.

cherokee wrote on Apr 18, 2009 1:06 PM:

" From the comments from another discussion about this center, Commenters who think this center should be "ALL WHITE", please go to a "private" aquatic center.

Orangeburg is without any attraction worth while. Not only this, but Orangeburg is sans ANY facility for families unless you consider swimming in the polluted and dangerous Edisto River.

Hey I have an idea! The YMCA should post a sign saying "RACISTS NOT ALLOWED". That sign should keep out 90% of the people of Orangeburg. "

mikeutsey wrote on Apr 17, 2009 3:21 PM:

" Boy are these comments about a long overdue addition to the Orangeburg community is so revealing. But these comments are not surprising, it explains the problem that have existing in this community forever. There has always been a race and class warfare in this community and it so sickening. It is actually pathetic. It is the thinking of a commenters such as flabberjabber, sweetypie and batb67 that has kept our town spinning its wheels in the past for so long.

This plan has been in place for so many years, even when I was a kid, almost 30 yrs ago.

As to the question as to how they would get there, you would be amazed how far the less fortune would walk for their entertainment purposes.

I remember when as a child...I would walk or ride my bike from above the law enforcement complex all the way down to the edisto river every saturday and sunday during the summer, just to take a swim and play in the river near the Arts Center. Thats like 3 miles maybe more, but I did it with a smile, knowing that I would have fun when I got there.
Its the well-off that have an issue with lacing up their shoes and walking to a place such as this, only because their family have moved them so far from the likes of myself. So if its too far for your kids to walk, you got plenty of money to buy them a car and let them drive to the facility. You wanted to be so far away from lower middle class....now you are, enjoy what you have and let the less fortunate enjoy something as well. Besides, you have someone on the inside ready to break ground on the so called new city sports complex that is gonna be in the middle of your neighborhood. I didn't hear one of you scream, how are the less fortune gonna get there, its becuase thats how you want it to be. But its about to be a new day in Orangeburg County....One of two things are gonna happen sooner or later...Either the situations in this town will change and the people change with it OR those who refuse to change will continue to move further up the river. Take your pick but one will happpen.

If you disagree or don't like what I said, take another read of my comments and ask me a simple question; Do I really Care?

Enuff Said

Have A Nice Day!!! "

beerslinger wrote on Apr 17, 2009 10:57 AM:

" Good Luck "

agape wrote on Apr 17, 2009 6:57 AM:

" I totally support the YMCA and their effort to bring their services to O'burg. I think it will add to the quality of life in my wonderful town. I am disapointed to hear that some of you(SweetyPie)(batb67) are judging those that will be in need of scholarships and the potential employees of the YMCA.
Lets try to be progressive thinkers. Low income households have family values and love.
We are ALL a part of the human race ....rich, poor, black, white, asian, hispanic, young, old.

Peace and Love "

sic&tyrd wrote on Apr 17, 2009 6:28 AM:

" Drive on, sweetypie! Why don't you just move to Lexington? Then you wouldn't have to deal with all us po folks down here. Oh, that's right. I forgot; you're here to keep your taxes lower. "

sweetypie wrote on Apr 14, 2009 8:30 AM:

" Beamer I am reading the story and I am aware of the larger YMCA facilities, that is not the issue here, its the caliber of people that will be using this facility. I was good with this until I read about the scholarships that people can get to attend for free, so if they can use these facilities for free do you really think they will care about it? Apparently you have not been around Orgb long, I will stick to the YMCA in Lexington, it is worth the hour ride to get there from Orangeburg. "

batb67 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 6:07 PM:

" I think this has the potential to be a good thing for our community. I think the location is kind of sketchy. The problem I see is hiring employees from the same “lazy pool of talent” we have around here that works at the fast food restaurants and retail establishments in the area. I think the city and county officials should look for a replacement for the Hillcrest Ball Fields. It seems that we could use more dedicated baseball and LEVEL soccer fields than an aquatic center. "

pdgb wrote on Apr 13, 2009 3:53 PM:

" These prices seem in line with what you would pay at a private gym. I look forward to this building. "

SCHERDSMAN wrote on Apr 13, 2009 3:14 PM:

" Not much to debate here, county council has already decided what they are going to do. But, beamer22, Orangeburg has had, and I stress had, a YMCA program in the last ten years, it flopped. Other than the basketball or swimming you can get at Healthplex. You mention after school activities, how will the children get there?? With the facility out on St. Matthews Road not as many will benefit as could have with a more central location in Orangeburg. What happens if it folds, Orangeburg County will have an empty building and an empty hole in the ground. "

beamer22 wrote on Apr 13, 2009 1:54 PM:

" Are you not reading the whole story or are you not aware of the way the larger chapters of the YMCA manage their facilities?

I came to Orangeburg from an area with a large YMCA facility like the one projected every 15 miles.

There will be much more than pools and slides -- weightlifting, lap swimming, cardio classes, yoga, racketball, self-defense, after-school programs and camps, summer programs and camps, childcare provided for the mother or father who wants to get an hour in on the treadmill, basketball courts... etc. etc.

I am proud to say that I would pay $32 a month, and would be willing to pay much more...

This facility would bring jobs to the area and would be managed with a certain level of class that the YMCA is known for. "

flabberjabber wrote on Apr 13, 2009 11:27 AM:

" $50 down, $32 a month? I could finance my own swimming pool for that. If they are going to charge those prices this thing is going to be a flop. I believe there should be fees instituted as this would keep out the riff raff, but $32 a month seems a bit steep. Unless, of course, they accept EBT cards and in Orangeburg County these pools would stay full year round and the parking lot would be full of the same folks grilling T-bones. I wonder how long it will be before folks start to take advantage of the "scholarship" system. "



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