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'You lie' — GOP's Wilson faces House admonishment

By JIM ABRAMS and BEN EVANS, The Associated Press  Tuesday, September 15, 2009

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WASHINGTON (AP) — Bitterly divided over an accusatory outburst — “You lie” — lawmakers neared a vote Tuesday on admonishing one of their own for his jarring interruption of President Barack Obama.

The proposed resolution of disapproval against Republican Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina added to the already-toxic atmosphere of partisanship in the House. Democrats said Wilson’s behavior during Obama’s speech to Congress last week was an egregious display of disrespect for the president that could not be ignored. Republicans accused the majority party of hypocrisy and wasting the taxpayers’ time.

“That’s a very serious breach of decorum, and if it goes unaddressed then we will probably see other, worse breaches in the future,” Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., said before floor debate began.

But Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana, a member of the Republican leadership, countered, “Our economy is struggling, families are hurting. And yet, this Congress is poised to demand an apology from a man who has already apologized. It’s a disappointment to millions of Americans.”

The Office of the House Historian said the resolution, if approved, would mark the first time in the 220-year history of the House that a member had been admonished for speaking out while the president was giving an address. The vote was on a resolution of disapproval, less severe than other disciplinary action available to the House, including censure or expulsion.

Wilson appeared on the House floor before debate on his behavior began, delivering a short speech without referring to his confrontation with Obama. He spoke of town hall meetings he held over the August recess full of “honest patriots” who “want us to work together for health insurance reform but not a government takeover.”

Wilson’s “you lie” outburst came as Obama, during a joint session speech on health care legislation, said that illegal immigrants would not be eligible for federal subsidies to purchase health insurance.

The outburst drew gasps from other members, and Wilson, at the urging of Republican leaders, called White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel to apologize. But he has resisted later suggestions that he go to the House floor to express further remorse.

“I think that Mr. Wilson could have resolved this himself” by speaking directly to his House colleagues, said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md.

Obama accepted the apology and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi initially said it was time to move on to health care and other substantive issues. Republicans agreed. But other Democratic leaders, including third-ranked James Clyburn of South Carolina, pushed for a House vote.

Clyburn, in an interview last week, said Wilson’s behavior was “indicative of the combativeness he displays all the time when it comes to politics.”

A leading member of the Congressional Black Caucus, Clyburn perceived it as a snub that Wilson held a town hall meeting on health care this summer at a school in Clyburn’s district — where Clyburn’s children attended — without telling Clyburn.

There also have been suggestions that recent harsh criticism of Obama has been at least partly motivated by race. Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., current head of the Congressional Black Caucus, said that “today is about the civility and decorum of the House.” But she added that we “can’t sweep race under the rug — racism is still a factor and must be addressed.”

A House Rules Committee summary of guidelines for members states that while it is permissible to challenge the president on matters of policy during debate, personal attacks are off limits. House rules note that a member could refer to a presidential message as a “disgrace to the nation” but it would be impermissible to call the president a “liar,” a “hypocrite” or say he was “giving aid and comfort to the enemy.”

Treatment of Wilson’s shout was complicated by the fact that it occurred not during floor debate but during a televised presidential address to Congress.

In 2007 Republicans unsuccessfully introduced a censure resolution against Rep. Pete Stark, D-Calif., for saying during debate that U.S. troops were being sent to Iraq “to get their heads blown off for the president’s amusement.” Stark later apologized to his colleagues.

On Wilson, there were dissenters from party solidarity on both sides of the aisle. Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts said he would vote against the resolution because “I think it’s bad precedent to put us in charge of deciding whether people act like jerks. I don’t have time to monitor everyone’s civility.”

On the other side, Wilson’s fellow South Carolina Republican Bob Inglis tweeted that he had told other Republicans and Wilson himself that he should apologize anew. “He should apologize to House for rule violation. That would end the matter.”

Beyond the controversy swirling around Wilson, there appeared to be some progress in resolving the issue he raised over illegal immigrants receiving federal subsidies to get health care. Democrats have insisted that their proposals specifically prohibit undocumented immigrants from getting assistance. But Republicans say the legislation needs stronger verification requirements.

Senators trying to negotiate a bipartisan deal are working to do just that, a step that could please some Republicans but also antagonize Hispanic lawmakers sensitive to rules making it harder for people to obtain health care.

The dispute, by capturing the attention of Republican and Democratic loyalists, has been a financial bonanza for both Wilson and his expected challenger in next year’s election, Rob Miller. Each has raised some $1.5 million in contributions since the speech last week.

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31 comment(s)
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blkplaya9891 wrote on Sep 23, 2009 1:16 PM:

" Disrespecting the President is one thing. Breaking the rules of the House of Rep. is yet another. He did both. It was the liar who yelled "You Lie." He belongs to the party of "NO" "

2ndGenerationBulldog wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:43 PM:

" The only people that will vote for him now are SC Republicans. Wilson's re-election bid will say a lot about the type of people in Beaufort County. It'll Either classify them rude or decent. "

2ndGenerationBulldog wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:38 PM:

" Black and White, get over yourselves. Wilson will pay. He'll never move any higher politically becuase of foot-in-mouth disease. Should he be denied healthcare because of his pre-existing condition? "

2ndGenerationBulldog wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:35 PM:

" Should we block obese people? people with existing conditions? What if you had coffee before your blood pressure check? The whole argument is over morality. The underlying question should be: Who is moral, not racist. "

2ndGenerationBulldog wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:32 PM:

" What's funny, anyone with moderate to low-income is taxing the healthcare, not just illegals. Those who have little to no healthcare, and even less money to supplement medical bills are taxing the system as well. "

2ndGenerationBulldog wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:28 PM:

" This debate isn't over Wilson, healthcare, racism, or illegal immigrants. It's a diversion from getting anything accopmlished. Get off this racism topic and start focusing on getting some work done. "

CONCERNED04 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:18 PM:

" a bunch of sore losers "

CONCERNED04 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:17 PM:

" to all the supporters, just let the haters HATE. We already know their true colors. as the saying goes.....no need to reply "

CONCERNED04 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:16 PM:

" I like all this confusion over him. He is the man. "

CONCERNED04 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 4:15 PM:

" Seven more years of President Obama. So all you critics keep writing because it is not going to change that. And!!!! health care is on the way. "

bravo14sc wrote on Sep 22, 2009 2:23 PM:

" Wagreen - Your Opinion accepted. So, Please educate me. What exactly has Joe Wilson said in past besides this incident that supports your post. Facts only(Good or Bad) I'll research also. "

confisus_sum wrote on Sep 22, 2009 11:09 AM:

" Racist statement....no. Truthful statement.....yes. Now he is lying about whether there will be a tax increase. Does he EVER tell the truth? "

wagreen1 wrote on Sep 22, 2009 9:39 AM:

" Poor bravo,it is unfortunate that the leaders of this state does not see the damage they are doing to its image and continue to produce rednecks like you bravo aka redneck "

bravo14sc wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:58 AM:

" Wagreen makes racist statements to prove Wilson made a racial statement. Google Redneck in: Racial Slur Database(rsdb.org)and feastofhateandfear.com. Other post-quote from Wilkipedia. Please post a VALID racist statement by Joe Wilson. "

bravo14sc wrote on Sep 22, 2009 12:32 AM:

" Actually, The shoe does not fit. However, Redneck refers to a person who is stereotypically Caucasian and of lower socio-economic status in the United States and Canada, particularly referring to those living in rural areas. "

wagreen1 wrote on Sep 21, 2009 3:16 PM:

" bravo14sc. If the shoe fits wear it. Bottom line is we have a bad case of red necks in S.C. "

bravo14sc wrote on Sep 20, 2009 6:11 PM:

" More racial insults-accusing those of opposing opions of living in trailers(mobile home). Many decent blacks, whites, asians and latin americans live in trailers(mobile homes). Calling a white trailer trash is a racial statement. "

skyler 6 wrote on Sep 20, 2009 12:20 PM:

" Wilson is a racist and has been called out as one. The GOP in S.C. like to think it's 1860 and acts in such a manner. "

wagreen1 wrote on Sep 19, 2009 7:01 PM:

" I have a education.You obviously dont,by your name be rump your family probably didnt know how to spell.You need the money to move out of the trailer park you reside in "

ANNUAL wrote on Sep 17, 2009 12:51 PM:

" confisus_sum is correct, Obama apology to police office and all is right with the world but after Jim apology direct to prez thats not good enough, nows he racist geez "

rump wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:32 PM:

" and Wagreen: show class! Use some of the $700 mill in stimulus and get an education. "

rump wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:31 PM:

" Wagreen: Pelosi is already proposing changes to the 1St amendment limiting speech to the ones who opppose her.
It will not pass!!!!! "

confisus_sum wrote on Sep 16, 2009 5:02 PM:

" Wonder why Clyburn feels he is more important than Obama? So, Obama's apology to the policeman was enough, but Wilson needs to be reprimanded? The double standard is appalling? "

wagreen1 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 4:56 PM:

" Wilson needs to step down along with Sanford and join Palin. These three clowns need to keep each other company. Anyway you slice Wilson is dead wrong "

wagreen1 wrote on Sep 16, 2009 4:47 PM:

" Again rump who was more dumber than Bush, and who is more of a hypocrit than Sanford. You are a joke, kick rocks "

debrobher wrote on Sep 16, 2009 4:34 PM:

" If not "you lie" with Clinton with Monica L., Bush with weapons of mass destruction not found;Sanford not hiking but with the other woman or late Senator with the daughter 65 years old. Hypocrisy! "

tubalo wrote on Sep 16, 2009 4:10 PM:

" Ignorance should be kept silent. Whos really the liar espcially since it has been proven the Wilson was the one lying! Besides Jimmy Carter has spoken, BOW DOWN idiots! "

dwaine spires wrote on Sep 16, 2009 9:55 AM:

" They need to leave Joe Wilson alone he just spoke the truth obama is nothing but a liar.Every time he opens his mouth out comes a lie. "

ANNUAL wrote on Sep 16, 2009 8:52 AM:

" Hey James, didnt the president say its time to move on but your still digging around. Were you also doing this when SEVERAL liberal booed Bush a few years ago "

orangeburger wrote on Sep 15, 2009 11:05 PM:

" Of all the politicians..Clyburn talking about morality! What an ignominy! "

rump wrote on Sep 15, 2009 9:09 PM:

" TheDumb Dems don't know it but this was a Special Session.
They are already trying to abolish the First Amendment!!
Such an abuse of power. "



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In this Sept. 9, 2009 file photo, Rep. Joe Wilson, R-S.C. is seen on Capitol Hill in Washington. The uproar over Rep. Wilson's shouting "you lie" at President Barack Obama returns to the House floor Tuesday, Sept. 15, 2009 for what could be a contentious and highly partisan debate over whether to formally criticize the South Carolina Republican. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais, file)




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